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Charles LEONARD

Charles LEONARD

Late of  ?

Brother to Michael A. LEONARD, # Q 7115

Brother to Patrick Stephen LEONARD,  # Q 7644

Another ‘mentioned’ Brother is Thomas Wood LEONARD,  # Q 9062

Another ‘mentioned’ Brother is Roger.  It is not known if Roger was in the Police.

 

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  Q 7396

 For the purposes of this website, ‘Q‘ represents those Police joining between 1862 ( commencement of NSWPF ) – 23 February 1915 ( Commencement of NSWPF current numbering system )

 

 Rank?, “possibly” a Sergeant

 

Stations?,  “possibly” Taree, “possibly” Walgett ( from June 1923 as a SenSgt ), Marrickville – Sgt ( 2 July 1926 ),

 

ServiceFrom  21 October 1899  to  ? ? ? ? years Service

 

Awards:   ?

 

Born? ? 1869 – Dungog, NSW

Died on:   Thursday 26 July 1945

Age:  75 – 76

Cause:  Pneumonia

Event location:  Randwick, NSW

Event date:   ?

 

Funeral date:   ? ? ?

Funeral location:   ?

 

Funeral Parlour:  ?

 

Buried at:   Woronora Memorial Park

Grave:  Plot:  RC  Sect: 1  Grave: 0366

 Memorial located at:   ?

 

 

 

CHARLES is NOT mentioned on the Police Wall of Remembrance  *NEED MORE INFO


 

FURTHER INFORMATION IS NEEDED ABOUT THIS PERSON, THEIR LIFE, THEIR CAREER AND THEIR DEATH.

PLEASE SEND PHOTOS AND INFORMATION TO Cal


May they forever Rest In Peace


“POSSIBLY” related to Charles LEONARD.  This link between Charles and Frank & Taree needs to be CONFIRMED.

Maitland Daily Mercury (NSW : 1894 – 1939), Saturday 1 January 1921, page 4


Drowned at Taree

Our Taree correspondent wires that a boy named Frank Leonard, 12 years of age, eldest son of Sergeant Leonard of the Taree police station, was drowned on Thursday evening, whilst bathing with a number of other children at Shallow Island swimming baths.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/123728843

Evening News (Sydney, NSW : 1869 – 1931),

Friday 2 July 1926, page 4” PAT ” LEONARD

POPULAR OFFICER DIES FROM PNEUMONIA

Sergt. PATRICK Stephen Leonard, Senior Police Prosecutor, died from pneumonia at Randwick to-day, after six week’s illness. ” He was one of the ablest men who have ever held the position of police prosecutor. ” said the Commissioner of Police to-day. ” I heard of his death with extreme regret. He was one of my best, most conscientious, and most promising officers. In my opinion, he would have attained to high police rank had he lived “.

The late sergeant was highly esteemed by all who know him. He was a most courteous, unassuming, and obliging officer, and was exceedingly popular with Pressmen, with whom he came into close contact at the various police courts. His word was his bond, and he was always scrupulously fair to defendants.

Sergeant Leonard joined the police force in 1900 and was made a first class sergeant in 1923. He served in the Darlinghurst division for 13 years and at Redfern, and was police prosecutor for seven years, first on the suburban circuit and latterly at the Central Police Court.

He was born in 1876, and was a native of N.S.W.

He was unmarried, and lived with his sister at Melford-street. Randwick.

WORKER FOR CHARITY

He was a prominent worker for various charities, and took an active part in the organisation of the annual police carnival.

The late officer’s first promotion to the rank of first-class constable was a reward for a particularly daring arrest of a burglar in William-street. City, at 4 a.m.. on December 13, 1904.

Two of his brothers also joined the police force — Charles, ( Q7396 ) now a sergeant at Marrickville, and Michael, (Q7115 ) who died from pneumonia some years ago.

The funeral will leave the Church of Our Lady of the Sacred Heart, Avoca street, Randwick, at 2.30pm tomorrow.

TRIBUTES IN COURT

‘ It is a sad end to a distinguished career.’ remarked Mr. Jennings. C.S.M., at the Central Court to-day. In referring to the death of Sergeant Leonard. ” He had been a long time with us, and his services were much appreciated by all those who worked with him. ”

Mr. Parker, on behalf of the legal profession. said he had known Sergeant Leonard for 23 or 24 years. ” I always admired him as an officer, ” went on Mr. Parker. ” He was absolutely conscientious. As a prosecutor he was one of the hardest men we had to fight, but he always fought fairly. He was a big man not only In stature, but In mind.”

Mr. Lionel Dare, barrister, remarked that, In his public capacity, Sergeant Leonard was courageous, unflinching, honorable, and firm.

Sergeant Cummings, police prosecutor, said the police felt Sergeant Leonard‘s death as a deep personal loss. He understood the late sergeant was on the eve of promotion to the rank of inspector. He was a highly capable officer.

TO HAVE BEEN MARRIED

A pathetic feature is that Sergeant Leonard was to have been married last Saturday to Miss Mary Agnes Roche, of Rose-street, Darlington, but his illness intervened.

( a photo of Sgt Leonard and Mary Roche appear in this news article but the ‘scan’ is far too dark from the Trove article to be useful for his Memorial page )

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/114383043


Catholic Press (Sydney, NSW : 1895 – 1942),

Thursday 8 July 1926, page 21

The Late Sergeant P. Leonard.

NOTED POLICE OFFICER PASSES.

Great regret was felt over the death of Sergeant Patrick S. Leonard, Chief Police Prosecutor of the metropolitan district, which occurred at his late residence, Milford Street, Randwick, on Friday morning last.

Poignancy is added to the death of this fine police officer by the fact that he was on the eve of his promotion to an inspectorship — in fact, he was about to be presented with the whip that accompanies elevation to that rank.

The late Sergeant joined the service in 1900, and was stationed at Darlinghurst.

A hard-working and efficient policeman, he soon attracted the attention of his superiors, and he won quick promotion, attaining the rank of first-class sergeant in 1923. He was police prosecuting officer in the suburbs for 10 years until his transfer to the Central Police Court over a year ago.

Of a courteous and genial nature, he enjoyed the friendship of all sections of the community, and the esteem of all his fellow officers and subordinates.

Genuine expressions of regret at his passing were made at the Central Police Court on Friday. Mr. Jennings, S.M., said that those who represented defendants had been well satisfied with his fairness in all proceedings. It was a sad end to a distinguished career.

On behalf of the legal profession, Mr. Parker and Mr. Lionel Dare paid tributes to his conscientiousness. He was a hard man to fight, said Mr. Parker, but he fought fairly. He was big in stature and mind, and it would be hard to replace him.

For the police, Sergeant Cummings, prosecutor, extended sympathy to the relatives. He understood that Sergeant Leonard was on the eve of promotion.

The Commissioner of Police ( Mr. J. Mitchell ) said that it was with extreme regret that he had heard of Sergeant Leonard‘s death. ” He was one of the ablest officers in the service, and had he lived he would have reached high police rank. He also rendered excellent service as a member of the committee of the police carnival for hospitals. ”

Sergeant Leonard, who succumbed to pneumonia, was 50 years of age, and a devout Catholic.

Requiem Mass was celebrated by the Rev. Father T. O’Loughlin, M.S.C, at the Church of Our Lady of the Sacred Heart, Avoca-street, Randwick, after which the funeral cortege left the church for the Randwick cemetery.

The procession, which was officially a police funeral, attracted a very representative gathering.

Squads of police, preceded by the Police Band, marched under Inspector Maze, and members of the Metropolitan Fire Brigades, under District-Inspector Grimmond.

The pall-bearers were Inspector Maze, Sergeants Roser, Dean, MacDougall, Twist, Jones and Maher. Many and beautiful were the wreaths conveyed.

The principal mourners were: Messrs. Charles, Thomas, and Roger Leonard ( brothers ), Misses Annie and Cissie Leonard, and Mrs. Delahunty ( sisters ), and Miss Mary Roche, to whom Sergeant Leonard was to have been married.

Amongst those present were: The Chief Secretary ( Hon. C. C. Lazzarini, M.L.A.), Inspector Spyer ( representing the Commissioner of Police, Mr. Mitchell ), Mr. Cruise ( representing the Minister for Justice ), Mr. A. Bishop ( representing the Crown Law Department ), the Speaker ( Hon. J Dooley, M.L.A.), Supt. G. Mitchell, Supt. Mankey, Chief of C.I.B., Inspectors Lynch, Delaney, Lindfield, and Kersley; Det.-Sgt. Lynch, Det.-Sgt. Coombes, Det.-Sgt. Jones ( South Africa ), Det. Sgt. Kennedy, Det.-Sgt. Smith, Det.-Sgt. Miller, Sergeant Nicholls and Constable Carroll Ashfield, Detective Gallagher, Sergeant T. O’Brien, ex-Sergeants Duncan, Hay and Toohey, ex-Inspector Fullarton, C. Thackeray ( ” Police News ” ), Mr. B. Fortescue ( general secretary, Police Association ), Detective Comans, ex-Sergeant Hayes, Sergeant Lane, and Sergeants Philpott and Maples ( Redfern ), Station-officer Beare ( representing Fire Brigades’ Hospital Carnival and Art Union ), Messrs. R. D. Meagher, W. Niland, and T. Arkins ( solicitors ), R. O’Halloran, B. Greig, S. R. Alldis, Ms.L.A., Hon. J. Tyrrell, M.L.C., P. Conroy ( vice-president ), and W. Carey ( secretary, A.L.P.), Aldermen M. L’Estrange ( Mayor of Mascot ), R. H. McDonald ( Redfern ), and D. Mulcahy ( Waterloo ), Messrs. Rafferty ( assistant secretary, R.A.S.), T. Windrum ( Rockhampton), E. Ward, P. Fennessy, D. Capice, W. O’Connor, R. Allen, A. Agnew, L. R. Mordant, and A. R. Pope ( Catholic Club ), J. McCann, W. Campbell, Hartnett, H. Kirkland, W. McNamara ( secretary, Friendly Society Dispensary ), P. Rynn, and F. Haron. — R.I.P.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/106276742

Further research is needed on this man.
Cal
30 April 2018




John McCROHON

John McCROHON

Late of  ?

Grandfather of NSWPF member – Ernest Edward McCrohon – # ‘Q’ 9403

Great Grandfather of NSWPF member – Victor Harry McCROHON – # 5009

Great Great Grandfather of NSWPF member – Vicki McCROHON – Police Woman 0123 who rejoined as Police Woman 0202

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  ????

 

Rank:  Chief Constable – appointed 9 March 1836 – Resigned 10 October 1837

Reappointed, in place of Constable James Jordan, in July 1838 & served until May 1839

Chief Constable – appointed 23 July 1838 until 6 May 1839

 

Stations?, Paterson ( 1836 – 1837 ) & ( 1838 – 1839 )

Service 1From 9 March 1836  to  10 October 1837 = 19 Months Service

 

Service 2:  From 23 July 1838  to  6 May 1839 = 10 Months Service

Total Service:  2 years 5 months

 

Awards:   No find on It’s An Honour

 

Born:   ? ? 1795 – Limerick, Ireland

Died on:   Monday 6 May 1839

Age:  44. ( Other sources have him aged 39 at time of death which makes his birth 1800 )

Cause:   Fall from his horse whilst ON Duty

Event location:   Between Maitland & Paterson, NSW

Event date:  Monday  6 May 1839

 

Funeral date:   ? ? ?

Funeral location:   ?

Funeral Parlour:  ?

 

Buried at:   Unmarked grave, Glebe Cemetery, George St, East Maitland, NSW

 Memorial located at:   ?

 

 

 JOHN is NOT mentioned on the Police Wall of Remembrance  * BUT SHOULD BE


 

FURTHER INFORMATION IS NEEDED ABOUT THIS PERSON, THEIR LIFE, THEIR CAREER AND THEIR DEATH.

PLEASE SEND PHOTOS AND INFORMATION TO Cal


May they forever Rest In Peace


 The Sydney Herald     Friday  10 May 1839    page 3

At Paterson, on the 6th instant, Mr. John McCrohan, late Chief Constable there, in consequence of a fall from his horse, when proceeding on duty to Maitland, leaving a wife and seven small children, nearly destitute, to deplore his loss.

The deceased, by his vigilance and good conduct, had gained the confidence and respect of the magistracy and settlers of the district, as he previously had done that of the Officers of the 4th of King’s Own Regiment of Foot, from which corps he honorably retired as Quarter-master Serjeant (sic ), in the enjoyment of a pension which ceases with his demise.

 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12858096#


John McCROHON

Male 1795 – 1839  (44 years)

Name John McCROHON
Born 1795 Limerick, Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location
Gender Male
Occupation 07 Aug 1838 Paterson, New South Wales, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location
  • Appointed chief constable 1838
Died 06 May 1839 Paterson, New South Wales, Australia Find all individuals with events at this location  [1, 2]
  • The Sydney Herald (NSW : 1831 – 1842), Friday 10 May 1839, page 3http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12858096At Paterson, on the 6th instant, Mr. John McCrohan, late Chief Constable there, in consequence of a fall from his horse, when proceeding on duty to Maitland, leaving a wife and seven small children, nearly destitute, to deplore his loss. The deceased, by his vigilance and good conduct, had gained the confidence and respect of the magistracy and settlers of the district, as he previously had done that of the Officers of the 4th or King’s Own Regiment of Foot, from which corps he honorably retired as Quarter-master Serjeant, in the enjoyment of a pension which ceases with his demise.The Sydney Monitor and Commercial Advertiser (NSW : 1838 – 1841), Monday 13 May 1839, page 3http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32164046At Paterson, on the 6th instant, Mr. John McCrohan, late Chief Constable there, in consequence of a fall from his horse, when proceeding on duty to Maitland.
Notes 
  • Irishman of the 4th Regiment of Foot in either England, Ireland or France.John was born 1795 Limerick, enlisted at Cueta as a 15 yr old, 25/5/1810. His service was 3 yrs in Portugal & Africa, 2 years in France, 6 yrs 391 days in West Indies (5/4/1819 – 1/4/1826), Married at Chatham in June 1826 and then served 1 year and 3 months in Portugal ( where son John born ) and then 3 years 6 months in NSW. After resigning from the Regiment, John joined the Police Force at Paterson in NSW where he was killed in a horse accident on 6/5/1839.
Person ID I20751 Rossow-Beitzel
Last Modified 9 Oct 2017
 http://www.rossow-beitzel.com/getperson.php?personID=I20751&tree=First

No find on NSW BDM.

The Gympie Researcher
Gympie Family History Society Inc
Nov 2014    No. 77
Researcher Article for November Issue 2014
My name is Jennifer Chantrill. I was born in Adelaide in 1955 ……..
Page 14
My paternal grandmother Veronica Hunt also hailed from interesting stock. She was the great-great granddaughter of Sgt John McCrohon and his wife Amelie Ducroix; John had
served in France and Portugal during the Napoleonic wars, and their first child was born in Portugal. John discharged from the Kings Own 4th Regiment in Sydney and became the Chief Police Constable at Newcastle (NSW).
Their descendent Maxwell McCrohon went to America as a foreign correspondent for the Sydney Morning Herald; he stayed and eventually obtained the post of Chief Editor of the Washington Post in the time of President Ronald Reagan.

 

Death Cert Emily McCROHON 1891
« on: Saturday 25 March 2018 06 07:24 GMT (UK) »

I have an unwanted Death Certificate of Emily McCrohon who was the daughter of Sydney Peter McCrohon NSW and Sarah Tindel of Ireland.  Emily was born in 1868 Rockhampton Qld.

She unfortunately died aged 23 years in 1891 Petersham NSW.

I had been trying to obtain the death cert of her grandmother, also named Emily McCrohon alias Amelia McCrohon nee Du Croix.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=142438.0

View Full Version : John Patrick McCrohon

Ammanda Schutz
26-11-10, 21:33

Name – John Patrick McCrohon

Date and place of birth: May 1795, St John’s Parish, Limerick, Ireland

Names of parents: John McCrohon and Margaret Unknown

Date and place of baptism – Unknown

Details of each of his or her marriages – married Amelia (Emily) du Croix at St Thomas, Winchester Hampshire (Unconfirmed)

Date of marriage: 23/06/1826 (Unconfirmed)

Occupation(s) – Sergeant Major; 4th Regiment of Foot, Lancaster King’s Own Regiment: Served in Portugal and occupied France after Waterloo. Regiment posted to garrison duty in NSW 1832 – 1837  ( Some researchers claim he was a Quartermaster. Not easy to verify as the regimental records were largely destroyed. )
NSW Constabulary: 1837-39. Appointed Chief Constable at Paterson NSW, 23/7/1838

Addresses where they lived: East Maitland, NSW

Date, place and cause of death: May 6, 1839, thrown from his horse on the road between Maitland and Paterson, NSW while on duty.

Date and place of burial. Buried at Glebe Cemetery

Details of will / administration of their estate – Unknown
Memorial inscription – Unknown

tenterfieldjulie
26-11-10, 22:08
Ammanda, I have John’s Military Service Records – he enlisted at Cueta, Africa 25 May 1810 at 15 years of age. His service ended on 8 Feb 1837 in Australia. From 5 April 1819 until 1 April 1826 he served in the West Indies. He was a Sergeant for 8 years and 55 days and Quarter Master Sergeant for 5 years and 106 days.
I was looking for their marriage in Portgual/France, so that information, although unsubstantiated, is news to me. 😀 Thanks Julie
Ammanda Schutz
27-11-10, 13:29
Julie: The information was given to me by a Cantwell researcher. They did not give me any documentation so I cannot verify. According to the researcher John was posted back to England, a base in Hampshire, and he and Emily were married there.
I would be glad of a copy of his service record. Thanks, A
btw did you get my email with the copy of the church register for the Gray/Dillon marriage?
Merry
27-11-10, 16:03

That marriage date would appear to be for this entry, from the FS pilot site:

Groom’s Name: John Mccrohon
Groom’s Birth Date:
Groom’s Birthplace:
Groom’s Age:
Bride’s Name: Emily Banham
Bride’s Birth Date:
Bride’s Birthplace:
Bride’s Age:
Marriage Date: 23 Jun 1826
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Winchester,Hampshire,England
Groom’s Father’s Name:
Groom’s Mother’s Name:
Bride’s Father’s Name:
Bride’s Mother’s Name:
Groom’s Race:
Groom’s Marital Status:
Groom’s Previous Wife’s Name:
Bride’s Race:
Bride’s Marital Status:
Bride’s Previous Husband’s Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13675-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1041222
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

but the bride has a different surname. Might she have been previously married?

Ammanda Schutz
28-11-10, 00:56
As far as I know Emily was not previously married. It seems to me that the other researcher has made an error. McCrohon is not a common name but one branch of the family moved to England, and still lives there, and this John is probably one of from that group.
Thanks for looking, Merry, and clearing up that question. Back to the drawing board.
tenterfieldjulie
28-11-10, 07:59
Merry, From the marriage reigster, would it be possible to see the original entry, or would you need to buy a certificate, in case there is a mistake with transciption of Emily’s surname?
As he was in the military from age 15, would he have needed Official Permission to marry? Would there be records?
Thanks Ammanda have received the Gray cert I will pm you. Julie
Merry
28-11-10, 11:18

It’s too early for a civil certificate (1837+) but you could get a copy of the Parish Register entry from the Hampshire RO, for a fee!

Otherwise, you should also check the Chaplains Returns marriages (overseas ones and I think they may include some UK army marriages as well) if you haven’t already (they are on FMP 1796-1880, but you’ll need a sub) and bear in mind both their surnames are open to being listed under different letters of the alphabet!!

I’m not sure about the permission bit. Certainly at various times one needed permission from a commanding officer to marry, but I think sometimes it made a difference what rank you were and at what time in history you were marrying. Plus of course, needing permission didn’t mean that permission was always sought!

Merry
28-11-10, 11:21

As he was in the military from age 15, would he have needed Official Permission to marry? Would there be records?

Ammanda, I have John’s Military Service Records

If there was a record of permission, his army papers would be the place to look, so if it’s not there……………..

Ammanda Schutz
28-11-10, 13:05
I found a record of the birth of one child to John McCrohon and Emily
Henry William Mccrohon
11 Apr 1832
St. Mary’s, Chatham, Kent, England
There may be more but it was late when I found this one.
It seems that there was a John and Emily in England and they were still there in 1832.
Thanks for the help. A
Merry
28-11-10, 15:43
I found a record of the birth of one child to John McCrohon and Emily
Henry William Mccrohon
11 Apr 1832
St. Mary’s, Chatham, Kent, England
There may be more but it was late when I found this one.
It seems that there was a John and Emily in England and they were still there in 1832.When did yours go to Australia? I had assumed Henry Wm was theirs, particularly being born in Chatham.Amelia (Emily) du CroixDo you have her birthplace or parentage?
Ammanda Schutz
28-11-10, 21:16
Merry, their first child, John McCrohon Jr, was born in Portugal in 1827.
After that there are two children born, according to one researcher, in England. William Denis McCrohon and Jeremiah Joseph McCrohon. Both of these children are said to have died in 1834. John Sr and his family went with his regiment to NSW in 1832/33.
Therefore the two boys would have died in NSW and I can find no evidence of this in the NSW records after trying all the variations of the spelling of the name McCrohon that I can think of nor can I find any record of their births in England. The next child was born in NSW in 1833, Sidney Peter.
It is possible, I suppose, that the birth of two boys were recorded in some military records.
Seems kind of speculative to me, but once we start looking back in time it is all a bit foggy. Like my brain.
Ammanda Schutz
28-11-10, 21:22
Oh, forgot to respond to the second part of your question. Amelia/Emily du Croix is a bit of a mystery; could be French, maybe from Belguim, no-one knows for certain. No date of birth just a C1798 for the year. Her parents are said to be Sidney Pierre du Croix and Sarah Unknown. That a lot of help, isn’t it?
tenterfieldjulie
28-11-10, 22:02
According to John’s Service Records from the National Archives, it was noted that he served in the West Indies from April 1819 to April 1826. (I think this is noted because in his pension? they were only allocated half pay). The next positive fact is when John Junior is born in Portugal as Ammanda says. John and Emily therefore could have been married in the West Indies, England, Portugal, France or Belgium – if you can find the marriage Merry, you are an absolute genius.
tenterfieldjulie
28-11-10, 22:06
The two boys I believe had headstones in Sydney in an early burial ground , but I think the cemetery has since disappeared. I think someone sent me some details, I’ll email them when I find them Ammanda.
tenterfieldjulie
29-11-10, 06:31
Amanda I will email you.
I found listed in Monumental Inscriptions at Bunnerong (the headstones etc were moved here after the Elizabeth & Devonshire Street Cemeteries were cleared.) Grave No. 1409: William Denis and Jeremiah Joseph McCROHON the sons of Quarter Master Serg’t John & Emily McCROHON of the 4th or Kings Own Reg’t, the former died 18th February 1834 aged 4 years and 10 months, and the latter died 15th June 1834 aged 4 years and 5 days. In 1969 the Headstone was Upright and the Condition Good.
So William was born April 1829 and Jeremiah born June 1830, what a tragedy.
Ammanda Schutz
30-11-10, 02:41
Julie: Thanks for the information. Wonder why there are no records for the deaths. I can’t find their births in England either. More mystery. A
kiterunner
30-11-10, 07:56
Not really a mystery, Ammanda – they were born before civil registration started in the UK and died before civil registration started in NSW, weren’t they?
tenterfieldjulie
30-11-10, 09:12
Yes 1856 in Australia. I compiled a pre-compulsory-registration BDM register for Tenterfield from church records, newspapers, family bibles and family traditions. The earliest being 1844, this area was only opened up in the the late 1830s. Seeing as how the priest/minister carried his notebook in his saddlebag and the areas were huge, it is simply amazing that any records survived. Tenterfield Catholic records were found in Grafton, Armidale and Ipswich.
Ammanda Schutz
01-12-10, 14:24
Now that I have John’s service record (thanks to Julie) and seeing where the Regiment was deployed I have doubts that he met Amelia du Croix in France. He was not at Waterloo and so she probably is not from Belgium. On the other hand there is a prodigious length of time from his deployment with the Army of Occupation in France, 1815 through part of 1818, until his first child is born in 1827.
It seems more likely to me that he met her in the Caribbean where he served for almost seven years; the entire time the Regiment was deployed there. The 4th then came back to England for a short time in 1826 and went straight on to Portugal from December 1826 to July 1827. John Patrick was born there July 27, 1827.
Perhaps we should be looking for Amelia and a marriage in the French West Indies. That covers a lot of islands but at least we can rule out Haiti.
I have given it a go but no joy yet.
tenterfieldjulie
12-03-11, 04:45
Ammanda I was looking through some photos that I took at the Gray reunion at Elsmore. There were printed sheets on the walls on the McCrohons. Some of these sheets were hard to photograph because they were covered in plastic.
Under UK Military Records it had: John McCrohon joined 3rd/East Kent Regt 1806. Lieutenant 1808. Retired injured as captain on half-pay. Father of John & William? Have you heard anything of this? This could explain how John born 1795 Limerick, ended up enlisting at Cueta aged 15, if his father was in the military based in England.
It also had that the second child of John & Emily, William Dennis was born in Scotland April 1829 and third child, Jeremiah Joseph, born England 10 June 1830.
tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 08:46
Well you just think you know something and they something else crops up.
Tonight talking to a relie she tells me that she has a record someone gave her from the IGI for John McCrohon’s baptism (from his military records he was born 1795 in Limerick) it is RC Crondon Park, Essex Name John McCrohon (not sure if the surname is spelt like that) parents John and Margaret, baptism 1 March 1807. All I can think is that either he hadn’t been baptised or they didn’t have a record of his baptism for his confirmation. Can anyone view the original record and see if it gives his age?
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 08:53
Is there some way you can connect the Limerick John with Essex John?
tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 08:59
Parents names are the same, John and Margaret. There also was a John McCrohon who was in the East Kent Regiment at that time. I haven’t followed through with checking, but I feel this could be why John Junior was enlisting at Cueta aged 15. I just hoped that the baptism register of this John might say his age which the IGI doesn’t.
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 09:00
Do you know what IGI search it was??? I can’t find anything.
tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 09:04
No I don’t unfortunately I tried too. M. isn’t computer literate and said it was from the IGI and what did that mean!! The problem with McCrohon is spelt in all sorts of funny ways – I’ve seen McCrone, McCrohan, even Crone and that is in Australia!!
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 09:14
There are 10 people with John McCrohon born 1795 Limerick in ther GR trees. Have you contacted any of them?
tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 09:16
No I should but I get a bit wary after what people have said about the unsubstantiated records that people put on there. I think Ammanda has as she has quoted from Allycat.
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 09:19

Some of the same people have Thomas Gray so probably rellies you already know. Any results you get from anyone are unsubstantiated until you’ve found them yourself so that’s not really a problem.

It’s only an issue when you take what others say as gospel without double checking.

That’s from experience….lol

tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 09:22
Yo. When I get to the library I will look see. If Jan H. is on there, I was in correspondence with her years ago and she was very good. As are Ian M and Marcel.
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 09:23
I’ll have a look……are you a paid member??? I don’t think you can send messages unless you are.
tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 09:26
No I’m not. If I look it at the Library and see what is on there and who is saying it, I can probably get in contact. Especially as there is a reunion at Easter.
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 09:27

One is a McCrohon and one is a Gray who have John McCrohon.

I can send them a message.

tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 09:38
Thanks Lib, I will talk to you tomorrow. A bit too tired now to think up what to say lol
kiterunner
20-03-11, 15:58
That baptism on the IGI is an “extracted record” and it gives his age at baptism as 1.
tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 20:21
When he enlisted on 24 August 1810 it gave his age as 15 and under age (he officially didn’t get a pension until he turned 18). It gave his date and place of birth 1795 Limerick and this is on the original handwritten records. On the extracted baptism record if he is “our” John McCrohon his age should read 11 not 1?
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 20:40

It does say 1 Julie. You could always order the original from LDS and have a look.

Did I ask before……………..do you know if John had any siblings?

tenterfieldjulie
20-03-11, 20:42
Yes it is worth a try. How did they spell McCrohon please?
How it could be disproved if a marriage could be found in Essex.
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 20:47

McCrohon. There aren’t any others in that batch, but that’s only baptisms and that one could be on the changeover year for that batch…

Have you looked for a marriage in England?

Ammanda Schutz
20-03-11, 21:36
I looked and found nothing.
According to our Brisbane researcher there was a brother William McCrohon, 1807 but no place of birth. It seems that this is a real connection as William also joined the 4th and went to NSW with his family.
There was a John McCrohan born at Colchester 1814, I think. Fairly close by but I don’t know the significance, if there is one. Perhaps the same family and the younger John died.
McCrohan and McCrohon are always being mixed up so the spelling doesn’t signify.
There is a family tree on Ancestry that has a Margaret Manning married to a John McCrohon at about the right time but I can’t link them to us.
Julie, MS gives the marriage for Emily and John at 1818, no documentation.
HarrysMum
20-03-11, 21:52

Oh Ammanda…don’t you just hate it when someone gives you some info and can’t give you the source????? lol

I’ve had so many on my tree particularly from one person who is determined to connect us to royalty I’m sure. She has this beautiful tree without any sources and that’s because they’re aren’t any…………..lol

I think you need to contact the brisbane person and ask for all the sources. Anybody who has done a tree would expect to be asked for that so I can’t see a problem. Then you need to check all their sources yourself.

I’ve been caught badly by not rechecking another person’s work……

Ammanda Schutz
20-03-11, 23:40
Tell me about it. Down the garden path and back again. I am such a believing soul, gullible is probably a better word, that I have had to be burned really badly to learn the lesson.
Julie knows him and he probably will be at the reunion in April so she can talk to him first hand. However, I take your point. If I can find an email address I will whisk one off.
I sound confident but some folk don’t like their research challenged so I have to tread carefully especially as this is the ‘definitive’ work on the McCrohons.
The good thing about the family is that the name is uncommon. The rotten part is that it is spelled in every conceivable way and then some.
HarrysMum
21-03-11, 01:10

Thanks Ammanda……………….not sourced at all really is it???

The index list is just that…I’d like to see some certs and PRs before I’d say anything.

So John and Amelia marry in 1818………..where was that supposed to be??? If John was in the army, why didn’t he need permissiom to marry??? And if he did marry without permission, wasn’t he supposed to re-marry??

Has anyone found his actual records??? That should have exactly where he was and when.

There’s a 9 year gap between the marriage and the first child. Not sure of the significance of that yet….

A lot of the historical parts are general history. I’ve got very similar in my book on the Moores from Ireland.

I’ll print it out and highlight the parts I’m not sure about I think the I might get a better idea.

Ammanda Schutz
21-03-11, 01:56
Well, you have hit upon some of the issues and in short order.
We have his complete military record and can trace him from his earliest date in Ceuta.
I think he chose the 1818 because it was at the end of the time that John was in France with the occupation army. However, the rest doesn’t make any sense to me. Why wouldn’t she go with him to the West Indies? If she was outcast from her family where else would she go?
If the other marriage, Emily Banham, is anything to go by they started having children right away, as any Catholic couple would. Well, not just Catholic at that time. I think Emily had 9 children with John so there was no time to waste.
I had thought that if Emily DuCroix was on one of the French Islands in the Caribbean, after all they French had lost the war and control of their islands, at least nominally, then he could have met and married her there. I found no records to that end.
When the record in Winchester came to light I thought it more than probable. All the elements fit; John was at Chatham after returning from the West Indies and in between being sent back to Portugal. Their first child was born in Portugal in just over a year.
Also, even if Emily Banham was a widow and DuCroix was her maiden name, as the daughter of ‘some high official’ wouldn’t she be educated. She could not sign her name on the register but marked it with an X.
I also wonder how John got to Ceuta? He was obviously educated, could read and write and was a Quarter Master Sergeant. Maybe his father was already in the Military and the reference Julie found to a John McCrohon in the East Kent 3rd Regiment may be right on. The 3rd fought in Spain and Portugal during the war with Napoleon and perhaps his son was with him. Perhaps at Gibraltar just across from Ceuta. Ceuta is still a Spanish enclave in Morocco and was always an occupied military port.
Well, I am raving now. Off to bed.
Thanks for taking a look.
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tenterfieldjulie
21-03-11, 02:51
Most of “MS” “History of the McCrohon Family in Australia” is I believe based on documentation, but the sources are not quoted. (He refers to study at State Librariers, LDS, State Archives etc) The part about the runaway marriage is I think is a family story, how they supposedly met her in France and had a runaway marriage. We know now that John McCrohon, 4th Foot, married a Emily Banham at St. Thomas Winchester 23 June 1826 (have copy of the marriage registration). Their son John was supposedly born in Portugal 25 July 1827 according to MS, which would fit with the marriage. Whether the birth information was recorded in a Family Bible, we hope to find out. We have the TNA records of John’s Military Records – when, where he joined 4th Foot etc, his ranks and times and places of service, including seven years in West Indies. Some of this MS seems to refer to, but I can see some errors in assumption. I think it would be better to speak to MS privately. I think he is an older person who did this out of respect for an elderly uncle who was related to him by marriage. He has very generously made this information available with no copyright claimed and fair use for non-profit purposes is permitted. His History comprises over 40 pages and so there is a lot of time and effort put into the McCrohon story.
HarrysMum
21-03-11, 03:03

I think talking to him about his sources would be a good idea Julie. Getting info from LDS is a bit dodgy unless you see the actual film. I must admit to not know about submitted entries when i started this lark and that gave me all sorts of trouble.

I’ve also got bad info from the State Library by using others’ trees and stories. One has a bit of wrong info and the next embellishes it and it goes on.

I wonder if the Ducroix story was along the lines of a tryst rather than an actual marriage. Those things can grow legs if people start talking…..lol.

I don’t think Amelia DuCroix and Emily Banham are the same person. Of course I can’t prove that but there are many things pointing that way.

My ggg grandfather’s marriage of 1818 is documented in his records. He was a sergeant at the time. The records also tell when he took leave etc. Although he was in the WI and other places, he managed to get home to ‘pro-create’ every couple of years.

Maybe if you tell him, you’ve been trying to find certain records and ask if he’d help you, at least you’ll know where he got them from.

tenterfieldjulie
21-03-11, 03:35
Well I found my buried records.
Death Registration of John McCrohon 20 June 1900 at Tingha NSW Born Portugal in Aust 58 years, Parents John McCrohon Quartermaster Sergeant in the army, Mother Emily Ducroi (x, more like t, possibly c). When this John’s son (another John died) his obit said he was the son of Mr. & Mrs. Patrick McCrohon who had migrated to Australia from Ireland.
Then the youngest child of John and Emily – Louis Estall died 3 May 1924 parents John McCrohon Miner and Agnes Decrow? (informant his son)
No wonder things are confused…
I.M. another researcher says in 2000: John – Born St. John’s Parish, Limerick July 1795, Brother William born Jan 1807 Crondon Park, Essex. John christened son of John and Margaret Crondon Park Rc 1 March 1807. Military Service – Returned Winchester 1 April 1826. Emily Ducroix Born France ca 1800 Seamstressi n Parish at time of British occupation 1816. First marriage to – Banham? John and Emily married 23 June 1826 at St. Thomas Rc Winchester.
Ammanda Schutz
21-03-11, 12:23
My head is swimming! Lots of information and I wonder where it leads.
Thanks for digging it out of the coffins Julie. lol
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/archive/index.php?t-7228.html
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7228




John Union BENTLEY

John Unwin or Union BENTLEY

Late of  ?

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  Q  3529

NSWPF – ‘Q’ represents those Police joining between 1862 ( commencement of NSWPF ) – 23 February 1915 ( Commencement of NSWPF current numbering system )

Rank:  Constable – appointed 21 July 1879

First Class Constable –

Senior Constable – appointed

Stations?, Ilford, Mundooran

ServiceFrom  21 July 1879  to  ? ? ? ? years Service

Awards:   ?

Born:   ? ? 1851 England

Died on:   ? ? ?

Age?

Cause:   ?

Event location:   ?

Event date:   ?

Funeral date:   ? ? ?

Funeral location:   ?

Funeral Parlour:  ?

Buried at:   ?

 Memorial located at:   ?

John Unwin or Union BENTLEY

 


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NSWBDM:     Death:   This is only “possibly” the correct person:   John U. BENTLEY,  Regd. #  2579/1901.
Father = Jeremiah
Mother = Ruth
District = Orange, NSW
No direct find for Marriages.
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NSW Government Gazette     Monday  9 May1892      Page 3944    Diseased Animals & Meat Act, 1892
John Unwin BENTLEYFirst class ConstableIlford – Western District
Inspector of Slaughter houses
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222966788/14085062
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Police Department, Inspector General’s Office, Sydney, 14 May 1896
Inspector of Slaughter Houses
John U. BentleySenior ConstableMundooran – ( Coonamble & Dubbo Police District )
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222324836
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Searching for this man, I kept coming across John UNWIN Bentley – born 1847.
Then, in the article from the NSW Government Gazette, dated 9 May 1892, there is a John UNWIN Bentley – First Class Cst.
It is “possible” that this is the one person.
The Death, in NSWBDM, shows the same family members, i.e., mother, father.
There is a death recorded in Orange Cemetery, NSW, of John Unwin Bentley – died in 1901 aged 53.
I am unable to find a photo of that grave but the above photo comes up on MyHeritage.com
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Darren Robert JONES

Darren Robert JONES

Husband to Serving Member – Trish and brother of Serving Member Paul ( Tocumwal )
Late of  ?

Goulburn Police Academy class 245

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  28112

Rank:  Sergeant – death

Stations?, Parramatta LAC ( 2011 – 2018 ) – Death

ServiceFrom  ? April 1990  to  9 March 2018 = 28 years Service

Awards:   No find on It’s An Honour

Born:   16 November 1968

Died on:   Friday  9 March 2018

Age:  49

Cause:   Cancer – liver

Event location:   ?

Event date:   ?

Funeral date:   Friday  16 March 2018 @ 10am

Funeral location:   Garden Chapel, Castlebrook Memorial Park, 712 Windsor Rd, Rouse Hill

Funeral Parlour:  Guardian Funerals  1300 662172

Buried at:   Buried at the cemetery

 Memorial located at:   ?

 

Darren Robert JONES
July 2017

 

Darren Robert JONES
August 2015

 

Darren Robert JONES
December 2014

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Darren Robert JONES

Darren Robert JONES

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Sergeant Darren Jones is a serving member of the NSW Police Force based at Parramatta Local Area Command.

Darren was diagnosed with Stage 3 Bowel Cancer in June 2015 which he successfully treated with Chemotherapy. He was in remission in August of 2016 when Doctors found metastasised cells in Darren’s abdomen. He underwent further Chemotherapy and all was looking good until mid-February 2017, when he received a Stage 4 Liver Cancer diagnosis.

Darren and Trish, also a serving member of the NSW Police Force have twin 11-year olds, a boy and a girl, Ty and Charli. Ever since Darren and Trish had their children, they have dreamt of being able to take their family on a holiday to Disneyland. A goal that now seems more pressing to create special memories for the children, and to give the family some precious time away together.

With the assistance of NSW Police Legacy, Darren’s mates and colleagues are fundraising to support Darren with his medical expenses, and to give the family their dream holiday.

Donate here: http://nswpolicelegacydarrenjonesappeal.gofundraise.com.au/cms/home

https://www.4bc.com.au/nsw-police-legacy-darren-jones-appeal/

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Patrick William KELLY

Patrick William KELLY

Late of Ultimo

New South Wales Police Force

[alert_yellow]Regd. #   P 8301[/alert_yellow]

( pre 24 February 1915 which commenced the current Regd. # system )

Rank:  Sergeant – Death

Stations?, Clarence St – 1 Station,

ServiceFrom  23 November 1904  to  11 June 1922 = 18 years Service

Awards:   No find on Its An Honour

Born:   ? ? 1883 in Sydney

Died on:   11 June 1922

Age:  38

Cause:   Enteric Fever ( Typhoid )

Event location:  Coastal Hospital ( later to become Prince Henry Hospital in 1934 )

Event date:   ?

Funeral date:   Friday  13 June 1922

Funeral location:   ?

Funeral Parlour: 

Buried at:   Rookwood Cemetery,

Catholic Section M1, Sect AA, Grave 364

 Memorial located at:   ?

Patrick William KELLY

Patrick William KELLY

 

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Sergeant Patrick William KELLY. Born Sydney 1884. Died 11/6/1922 Coast Hospital from ‘Enteric Fever‘ (Typhoid fever) aged 38. Joined 1904, 18 years Service. The attached link is to his obituary is all I can find about this man who died whilst still serving.

Some background. The Coast Hospital (established around 1882 to isolate and treat patients with infectious diseases) was particularly valuable during the bubonic plague in Sydney of 1900 and then again when soldiers returning from Europe brought the influenza virus back in 1919. The Coast Hospital became Prince Henry Hospital in 1934. In 2001 services were transferred to Prince of Wales Hospital, Sydney and the hospital site became available for residential use.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/106395067

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Catholic Press (Sydney, NSW : 1895 – 1942), Thursday 29 June 1922, page 39


THE LATE SERGEANT PATRICK WILLIAM KELLY.

Sergeant Patrick William Kelly, of No. 1 (Clarence-street) Station of the N.S.W. Police, died at the Coast Hospital on the 11th inst. of enteric fever, at the early age of 38 years. The deceased, who was a native of Sydney, was the eldest son of the late Mr. John Kelly and of Mrs. Mary Kelly, of County Galway, Ireland, and residents of Ultimo for over 35 years.

Sergeant Kelly joined the police force in 1904, and rendered fine work to the department, gaining the confidence of the Inspector-General and other officers, and the esteem of all associated with him. The deceased was an inmate of the hospital for only one week, when he was called to his reward. He was attended spiritually during his illness by the Rev. Fathers McHugh and Quinn (Maroubra), who administered the last rites of the Church.

The interment took place at the Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood, on Friday, the 13th inst., the funeral leaving the residence of his mother, 79 Quarry-street, Ultimo.

The cortege was headed by the Police Band, followed by about 100 uniformed and 50 plain clothes men and detectives, who proceeded with the other mourners to the graveside.

The Rev. Father J. Troy (Diocesan Inspector of Schools) officiated, and, in referring in feeling terms of the remarkable courage and fortitude shown by Sergeant Kelly during his last hours, said he was typical of those who comprise the splendid force of police that the State of New South Wales is justly proud; and he took this public opportunity of expressing his appreciation of the members of that great body, who were the custodians of peace and the guardians of life and property.

The chief mourners were his mother, Miss H. Kelly (sister), Mr. J. J. Kelly (brother), Mr. and Mrs. J. H. Finn and family (Carlton), Mr. and Mrs. J. J.White and family (Erskineville), Mr. J. Farraher, uncle (Redfern), Mrs. Goodridge (Moss Vale), Mr. and Mrs. Tom Mack (Moss Vale), Mr. and Mrs. Spencer (Taralga ), also at the graveside were Superintendents Park (representing the Inspector-General of Police), Bannan, ex-Superintendents Brooks and McLean, Inspectors Turbet, Long, Robertson, Pauling, King, Mankey, and Mr. John Robinson (ex-local auditor, Commonwealth Audit Office, Sydney ). The pall-bearers consisted of six comrades of the deceased from the foot and water police. — R.I.P.




Ross David WHITE

Ross David WHITE

Late of  ?

New South Wales Police Force

[alert_yellow]Regd. #  5839[/alert_yellow]

Rank:  Probationary Constable – appointed 15 September 1947

Sergeant 3rd Class – appointed 28 May 1964

Sergeant 1st Class – appointed 20 August 1974

Sergeant 1st Class – Retirement

Stations: ?, PSB ( Public Safety Bureau ), Western District, Lithgow ( 1964 – 1970  Sgt 3/c – Traffic Sgt), Castle Hill ( 1970 – Sgt 2/c ), Parramatta / 18 Division – Retirement

ServiceFrom  ? ? pre September 1947?  to  30 December 1982 = 35+ years Service

Awards?. It’s An Honour website is down.

Born:  1 September 1923

Died on:  Wednesday  7 February 2018

Age:  94

Cause?

Event location:   ?

Event date:   ?

Funeral date:  Thursday  15 February 2018 @ 11am

Funeral location:  Garden Chapel, Castlebrook Memorial Park Cemetery & Crematorium,

712 Windsor Rd, Rouse Hill

Buried at?

 Memorial located at?

 

 

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WHITE, Ross David
01.09.1923 – 07.02.2018
Retired Crown Senior Sergeant NSW Police Force
A great father and loyal friend, will be sadly missed by all.
Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend a Funeral Service for ROSS which will be held in the Chapel at Castlebrook Memorial Park, 712-746 Windsor Road, Rouse Hill on
Thursday, 15th February, 2018 commencing at 11:00 a. m.
On conclusion of the Service, an Interment will take place in the adjoining Cemetery.
Funerals
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Allan James FULLER

Allan James FULLER

Late of Tamworth

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  ????

Rank:  Constable

Stations: ?, Warialda, Tamworth – death

ServiceFrom  ? ? 1945  to  2 July 1950 = 5 years Service

Awards:  No find on It’s An Honour

Born? ? 1923?

Died on:  Sunday  2 July 1950

Age:  27

Cause:  Motor Vehicle Accident – Motor Cycle Rider – Off Duty – At fault

Event location:  New England Hwy near the intersection of Gurnsey St, Scone, NSW

Event date:  Sunday 2 July 1950

Funeral date:  Tuesday 4 July 1950

Funeral location:  Bede’s Church of England, Scone, NSW @ 3.30pm

Buried at:  Church of England portion, Werris Creek Cemetery, Werris Creek Rd

 Memorial located at?

 

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Newcastle Morning Herald and Miners’ Advocate (NSW : 1876 – 1954), Monday 3 July 1950, page 1


Eight Killed In Road Accidents Eight people were killed i road accidents in New South Wales and Victoria at the weekend.

Constable Allan James Fuller, 27, of Tamworth, was fatally injured yesterday when his motor-cycle and a lorry collided on the New England Highway, Scone. Fuller, a married man with one child ( daughter ), was on week-end leave and was riding his own machine.

He joined the Police Force in 1945.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/135302353

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Scone Advocate (NSW : 1887 – 1954), Tuesday 11 July 1950, page 2


FUNERAL OF POLICE CONSTABLE

There was a large attendance at the police funeral at Werris Creek on Tuesday of Constable Allan James Fuller, who was killed when his motor cycle collided head on with a motor truck near Scone on Sunday week.

The service. held at St. Bede’s Church of England, was conducted by the Rev. W. J. Pritchard.

The coffin was draped with the Australian flag, on which deceased’s cap had been placed.

After the service at the church, a squad of police led by three police cyclists, marched ahead of the hearse through the main business section of the town.

From there the marchers went by car, and with the cyclists still in the lead the cortege moved on to the Church of England portion of the Werris Creek Cemetery.

At the graveside the Werris Creek Band played the hymn, ‘Abide With Me.’

There was a large attendance of police officers from all parts of the North and North-West.

They included the Inspector-in-Charge of Tamworth sub-district ( Mr. G. Smith ), who deputised for the Superintendent of the Northern Police Administrative District ( Mr. C. J. Delaney ), Sergeant E. Lambert and Constable W. Matheson ( Quirindi ), Constable W. Brett ( Willow Tree ), Constable R. Gibson ( Murrurundi ) , and Sergeant H. Jerome and Constable B. .Shannon and Constable R. Paff ( Werris Creek ). Tamworth District Ambulance Service was represented .by Messrs H. J. Rowland and H. W. Kearns.

Werris Creek sporting bodies and business houses were represented.

The police cyclists were Constables Lawler, Aldred and Elliott. Pall-bearers were Constables Nicholson, Ralph, Holmes and Watkins.

— ‘Quirindi Advocate.’

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Scone Advocate (NSW : 1887 – 1954), Friday 21 July 1950, page 1


POLICEMAN’S DEATH IN MOTOR COLLISION

Coroner Holds Inquest at Scone

The District Coroner, Mr. N. Hunt, held an inquiry into the death of Allan James Fuller (27), of Tamworth Police, who was killed almost instantly on 2nd July last, when his motor cycle crashed into a truck being driven by Athol Hope, carrier, of 9 Barber-street, Gunnedah.

Evidence revealed that the deceased’s cycle had struck a bump in the highway near the intersection of Gurnsey-street, causing the cycle to veer over on to the other side of the road.

Sergeant T. Newell, of Muswellbrook Police, assisted the Coroner at the inquiry, while Mr. R. S. Watson represented Mr. Hope and the Government Insurance Office. Mr. A. A. McLellan, solicitor, of Scone, appeared to watch the interests of the Scone Municipal Council. The widow of the deceased and members of his family were also present in Court throughout the proceedings.

CONSTABLE’S EVIDENCE

Constable William Charles Black told the Coroner he went to the scene of an accident on the New England Highway near the intersection of Guernsey-street on the afternoon of 2nd July, at about 2.45 p.m. Saw a Harley Davidson motor-cycle lying on its side on the bitumen, five feet in and about 14ft. 8ins. from the kerb. At the rear and near side of the motor cycle was a pool of blood. The deceased had been removed prior to witness’s arrival. Also saw a motor lorry, heavily loaded with beer, drawn over to the side of the highway. The driver gave his name as Athol Hope, of Gunnedah.

Noticed some marks on the right mudguard and right hand side of the bumper bar, as well as other marks on the body of the lorry and driver’s cabin.

Constable Black said he inspected the road and found several depressions right at the bend of the road and on the north-eastern side, extending on to the edge of the bitumen. There were also marks resembling skids on the northern side from the blood.

Later, in company with the deceased’s brother and the Coroner, visited the Scott Memorial Hospital, where deceased was identified.

Answering Sergt. Newell, Constable Black stated the marks on the motor lorry could have been caused by the vehicle coming into collision with the cycle on the roadway.

Sergt. Newell: What was the condition of the roadway? — At the point of impact the road surface was level, but for a distance of 8 or 10 feet from this point the road north of the impact and extending further north to the curve on the north-eastern side, that is right on the inside of the bend, the road surface is very uneven.

Witness marked several identification spots on photographs of the scene of the accident, and these were later tendered as exhibits.

Answering Mr. Watson, Constable Black stated the cycle was the private property of the deceased. The point of impact would be on Hope’s side of the road. It is possible that the deceased did not know there was a curve in the road ? — Yes, it is possible he did not know, much about the locality. I don’t know, and I had never met him. He was stationed at Tamworth. As an experienced traffic constable, is there anything that makes this roadway abnormal or dangerous? — Only that it is very deceptive upon approach from the north. It is actually a worse bend than it appears from 100 or 200 yards away. Do the depressions you referred to add to the danger of the curve? — Yes, considerably with a motor cycle, but I don’t know about a four-wheeled vehicle. Is there any warning of this curve approaching it from the North? – No. Do you consider it a curve which should have the normal traffic warning ? — It would be a benefit to have such a warning.

Constable Black, through Mr. Watson‘s examination, stated there was a 30-miles-per-hour sign about 40 yards away from the scene of the accident. Most motorists slowed down after passing such a warning, and witness was of the opinion the sign would be placed to better advantage if moved further north in order to give motorists time to slow down before reaching the curve in the highway. Answering Mr. McLellan, Constable Black stated it was a fact that a good deal of traffic went straight down Guernsey-street from the main road, due to the closing of traffic from the highway at certain times by the railway crossing gates. Replying to Sergeant Newell, witness stated the brakes on the truck involved in the collision had been tested and found to be in perfect condition. They conformed with the standards required.

BROTHER’S EVIDENCE

George Fuller, of Werris Creek, brother of the deceased, stated he had identified the body of the deceased on July 3 last. Had not seen the deceased for a fortnight prior to the accident, but at that time his late brother had been in good health and spirits. The deceased had been in the Police Force for five years, was 27 years of age, and at the time of the accident was going to visit his wife’s mother at Branxton. Could not say whether he had passed through Scone before, or whether his life was insured. Could not say whether the deceased had known the roadway through previously travelling over it.

LORRY DRIVER’S STORY

Athol Hope, carrier, residing at 9 Barber-street, Gunnedah, told the Coroner that at about 2 p.m. on July 2 he was travelling in his lorry with a load of beer on board. Passing through Scone, he had travelled from Swansea that day. Went over the railway crossing and was proceeding to go around a curve in the highway when he heard and saw a motor cycle coming. ” It was roughly a hundred yards away when I first saw it, before I approached the turn. I was travelling slowly — about 10 miles an hour— and the cycle was coming towards the curve. ”

 

Sergt. Newell: Did you form any opinion as to the position of yours and the other vehicle as to approached the curve? — When I was approaching the carve, I saw the cycle would have difficulty in getting around the curve. As the cycle came on to the curve it hit a rut in the road and the front wheel went up in the air. I saw it happen distinctly and it then came straight towards my truck. The way I saw it, the front wheel seemed to jump straight towards me. The bike hit the front portion of my truck. Would say the rider had no control over the machine. I stopped my truck after the impact.

Sergt. Newell: Did the rider of the cycle try to do anything to avoid the collision? — No. There was no way of getting the cycle under control. When he hit the rut he came straight towards me. It all happened so suddenly I had no time to do anything. I walked back to where the deceased was lying, but he did not speak.

Answering Mr. McLellan, witness said it would be hard to estimate how far away the cycle was when witness first saw it. It would be hard to estimate the cycle’s speed, but thought it would be travelling at about 50 miles an hour.

Replying to Mr. Watson, witness said he agreed with Constable Black that the deceased was travelling on the wrong side of the road at the point of impact. Witness’s vehicle was on its correct side, with the off-wheels off the bitumen. Thought there should be a ‘Curve’ sign to the north of the bend in the road.

PHOTOGRAPHER’S EVIDENCE

John Arthur Smith, engraver and photographer, residing at 100 Main-street, Scone, gave evidence of having taken certain photographs of the road at the scene of the accident. These photographs were then tendered and marked as exhibits one to four.

MEDICAL EVIDENCE

Dr. A. B. Cuthbert, fully qualified medical practitioner and resident of Scone, gave evidence of having made an examination of deceased at the Scott Memorial Scone Hospital on the afternoon of July 2. The deceased had died a short time before and found extensive lacerations of the right hand side of the jaw bone and down under the neck and to the sternum. The lacerations involved injury to the main vessels of the neck, the bleeding from which was the cause of death. Death had not been instantaneous, but within a few minutes of receiving the injuries. It was quite probable the deceased had been unconscious from the time of receiving the injuries.

ADDRESSES

Mr. McLellan and Mr. Watson addressed the bench at length as to their views on how the accident occurred.

Mr. McLellan stated there was evidence which pointed to the fact the deceased was travelling at a speed in excess of the safe speed he might have travelled at, taking into account the condition of the roads. It was a fact that roads were not in the first-class order they were in some years ago. The deceased, travelling at an excess speed, plus the fact of his cycle striking a rut at this speed, was sufficient to cause the accident.

Mr. Watson was also of the opinion that the deceased was travelling at an excess speed — probably that of 50 miles an hour. Had the road been in good order, that speed, when slowed down to the 30-miles-an-hour limit past the speed sign, would have been quite all right, but for the fact of hitting a rut caused the cycle to deviate off the correct side. The other fact pointed out by Mr. Watson was the driver of the lorry was on his correct side and travelling at a slow speed. His client, Mr. Hope, was in no way to blame for the occurrence.

CORONER’S REMARKS AND FINDING

From the Bench, the Coroner stated that he accepted the evidence of Mr. Hope, the only witness to the tragic happening, as being a truthful version of the accident. ” His evidence, with that of Constable Black, and the very helpful photographs, for which the Court is indebted to Mr. Smith, complete with inspections of the location of the accident, appears to me to make it clear that the front wheel of the motor cycle, driven by the deceased, struck an uneven patch on the roadway, obviously the result of necessary repair work thereon. This apparently caused the cycle to come into contact with the lorry driven by Mr. Hope.

I am satisfied that this lorry was being driven in a lawful manner on the correct side of the road, in accordance with the traffic laws, and at a most reasonable speed, having regard to the locus. There can be no blame attached to the driver of the lorry.

‘It is always difficult to speculate on the speed of a moving vehicle, particularly one which is moving towards you, but the balance of probabilities lead me to infer that the deceased was travelling at a speed somewhat greater than the 30 miles an hour, having regard to the results.

In considering the speed, one must have in mind the fact that the evidence discloses that the deceased was an experienced and efficient driver of motor cycles, both in his private capacity and as a police officer. I lean to the hypothesis submitted by Mr. Watson that the deceased was travelling at a speed which would ordinarily be perfectly safe under normal circumstances, but which by reason of the deceptive nature of the turn and the condition of the roadway, formed a combination of factors which occasioned the accident. ” It is the considered opinion of this Court that a recommendation should be conveyed to the appropriate authorities that all possible expedition be given to the eradication of the uneven patches on the roadway surface in the immediate vicinity of the intersection. I may say that I am mindful of the difficulties which present-day conditions place on such a proposition. I would further recommend that consideration be given by the appropriate authority to the removal of the existing 30 miles an hour sign to a position some distance further on the northern side of the curve ; that the yellow line be repainted and that if found possible, a ” Curve ” sign be placed adjacent to the turning. While the existing warnings are adequate for normal circumstances, I feel that if this were done, it would make an efficient contribution to the road safety which every member of the public desires, ” concluded the Coroner.

The Coroner then read his finding, that the deceased had met his death as a result of haemorrhage, due to injuries he accidentally received when the cycle he was riding collided with a motor lorry.

Mr. Hunt extended his thanks to the Police, counsel, and also the sympathy of the Court to the relatives of the deceased, as also did Sergeant Newell, Mr. McLellan and Mr. Watson.

 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162723715
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Francis WILLIAMS

Francis WILLIAMS  ISM

AKA  Frank
Late of  ?

Grandfather to Sgt Mick Williams APM

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  ????

Rank:  Aboriginal Tracker for 17 years

1945 – appointed Sergeant of Police

Sergeant – Retirement

Stations:  Dubbo ( 1915 ), Byrock ( 1916 – 1919 ), Bourke ( March 1938 – May 1950 )

ServiceFrom  1 March 1915  to  May 1950 = 45 years Service

Awards:  Imperial Service Medal – for Faithful Service – awarded in 1943

Born? ? 1871 on the Warrego River, NSW ( Toorale Station )

Died on:  18 January 1955

Age:  84

Cause?

Event location:   ?

Event date:   ?

Funeral date? ? ?

Funeral location?

Buried at:  Bourke Cemetery, Gorrell Ave

 Memorial located at?

Francis 'Frank' WILLIAMS  ISM

Wellington Times ( NSW )  Monday  14 Dec 1953 INSCRIPTION:  MEDAL FOR BLACK TRACKER.  NSW Police Sergeant Tracker Frank Williams, receives an Imperial Service Medal from the Governor of NSW, Sir John Northcott, during an Investiture at Government House, Sydney.

Francis 'Frank' WILLIAM - Grave

Dedication frame to Francis 'Frank' Williams
NSW Police Monthly – October 2013

 

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Frank Williams

A contemporary of Alex Riley, Frank Williams was a tracker who also received numerous accolades throughout his career.  Williams was born in the country between Gundabooka and Toorale in the 1870s to Edward Williams and an Aboriginal woman named Fanny Hippi.  He is associated with the Ngemba speaking peoples south of Bourke.  After working as a labourer, he was appointed as the tracker at Dubbo on 1 March 1915, the first year of Riley’s temporary absence of the force.[1]  He transferred to Byrock the following year before resigning on 16 May 1919.  He re-joined just over 12 months later and was stationed at Byrock until March 1938 when he took up the tracker’s job at Bourke.  Another 12 years on the job followed before Williams retired in May 1950, two months before Alex Riley left the force.

Frank Williams told his daughter Grace that after his mother died when he about six years old, he “stopped with his grandmother”, who is known only as Maude.  He said that they:

…used to lie on skins.  They used to have like a humpie, built right down, real traditional.  He said this ‘walkabout’ that they reckon they used to do, he said they usen’t to.  The only time they moved around was when they changed their camps, and that was for cleanness.  They would shift around and get fresh ground.[2]

Maude, who had “up alongside her nose… a bone needle from a fish”, taught Frank about tracking.[3] She knew how to “sew the possum skins and make little possum skin bags to carry water in”.  Grace Williams said that:

Dad used to go about with her and she used to show him a lot.  She showed him how to track, so he ended up being a good tracker.[4]

A case which Williams received some press coverage at the time was the murder of Robert Whye (aka Bobbie Burns), a ten year old Aboriginal boy, on the banks of the Barwon River near Brewarrina Aboriginal Mission.  The culprit was an older Aboriginal man from Brewarrina named Charlie McDonald and Williams was faced with the prospect of tracking his countryman.  But his decision was made somewhat easier by the fact that he had strong familial ties to the victim.

In June 1906, Frank Williams married Caroline Parker (aka Caroline Whye) at Brewarrina.[5]  Caroline was the daughter of Sam Parker of Coopers Creek, South Australia, and Caroline Hilt of Brewarrina, a fluent speaker of the Wailwan dialect of Ngiyampaa.  She passed her linguistic knowledge on to her daughter and both were significant informants about Ngiyampaa language and culture for R.H. Mathews.[6] Caroline Hilt’s first marriage was to Alfred Whye, non-Indigenous, and her children to Cooper sometimes carried this surname.[7]

The young victim, Robert Whye, was born at Warren in 1919 to George Whye and Jane Francis McIntrye.  His maternal grandmother was Caroline Hilt, making Caroline Parker his aunt, and in cultural terms, his mother.  Although Charlie McDonald was from Brewarrina, it is not clear how he is related to the other families from the district.  In a broad sense, Frank Williams was not stepping outside the bounds of tradition is seeing that McDonald was captured and punished for the murder.  Other prominent members of the Brewarrina Aboriginal community were prepared to give evidence against McDonald, including Christy Warraweena (a Ngiyampaa speaker) and John Wilson (a cousin of Frank Williams).  Other witnesses were children who were probably playing with Whye when he disappeared.  In an interesting twist from the Governor episode, one of the witnesses was Annie Coombes, the daughter of Jack Coombes of Wollar and Lottie Governor (Jimmy and Joe’s sister).  Her parents were part of the Wollar community which was removed to Brewarrina Aboriginal Station.  They married at Brewarrina in October 1900 while the chase was still on and Annie was born about 10 years later.  The following year she married Tom Wellington who was also a witness against McDonald.[8]

The pursuit itself was a difficult one.  Rain soon after the murder obliterated most of the tracks, which at one stage led within less than a kilometre of Brewarrina Aboriginal Station.  Although not mentioned in the press, Williams was assisted for some of the search by Alex Riley.  But it was Williams alone who led the other police to a lonely shearer’s hut on Caringle Station where McDonald was arrested.  Convicted of the murder at Dubbo, he was incarcerated in Goulburn Gaol where he passed away in 1928.[9]

Family was an important part of Frank Williams’ life and he and Caroline had 12 children and many grandkids.  Cecily Hampton recently recalled spending the weekends with her grandfather:

I used to go out with grandfather a lot, especially on weekends.  On Sundays we’d got out and kill a kangaroo and always bring back the tail.  We never brought anything else back, just the tail.  Granny would make a big pot of kangaroo tail soup.  Oh it was beautiful.  I used to always follow grandfather around!  He used to sit down out the back and we’d talk about all sorts of things.  He would show me how to draw figures in the dirt, things like lizards and frogs, you name it, and he could draw it.[10]

Williams was probably taught to track in a similar manner by his grandmother Maude.  He was keen to pass the knowledge on: his son Sydney Williams also worked as a tracker.  Frank Williams retired in 1950, having been promoted to the rank of Sergeant and given the King’s Medal in 1943.

References

1. Police Salary Register 1915 SRNSW 3/2995 Reel 1974.  The family also believe that Williams was casually employed as a tracker at Mount Drysdale near Cobar before moving to Dubbo.  The salary register does not record
2. Cowlishaw 2006: 10.
3. This information is significant given that there are no known examples of Aboriginal women working for NSW Police.  It clearly demonstrates that Aboriginal women, not surprisingly, had the skills to track people in the bush.
4. Cowlishaw 2006: 11.
5. MC of Francis Williams and Caroline Parker 1906/006754.
6. R.H. Mathews Papers NLA MS 8006. Series 3. Folder 7. Notebook 7b Untitled:114.
7. See DC of Caroline Parker 1917/003971.
8. Tindale Brewarrina Genealogy, 1938; MC of Thomas Wellington and Annie Coombes 1927/009958; DC of Robert Whye 1926/001079.
9. Sydney Morning Herald 1 January 1926: 5; New South Wales Police Gazette 6 January 1926: 9; Sydney Morning Herald 8 January 1926: 11; Tracker Riley file, Macquarie Regional Library, Dubbo.
10. DEC 2005: 2.
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James Gillis McDONALD

James Gillis McDONALD

AKA  JIMMY ‘ Tracker ‘ McDONALD

the First Wiradjuri black tracker with NSW Police in Mudgee, NSW

the Last WIRADJURI black Tracker with NSW Police in Mudgee, NSW

Late of  13 Perry St, Mudgee, NSW

 

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  ???? ( N/A )

 

Rank:  Aboriginal Tracker

 

Stations:  Mudgee

 

ServiceFrom  ? ? ?  to  ? ? ? = 40 years Service

 

Awards?

 

Born:  Friday  26 January 1872 at Cobbora, NSW

Died on:  Saturday  17 April 1937

Age:  65

Cause? – passed in his sleep

Event location:   ?

Event date:   ?

 

Funeral date:  Sunday  18 April 1937

Funeral location:  Mudgee Cemetery

Buried at:  Mudgee Cemetery

Salvation Army Section

Row B  Plot 50

 

 Memorial located at?

JIMMY 'TRACKER' McDONALD - JAMES McDONALD

INSCRIPTION:<br /> A LIFE TIME OF MEMORIES of our loving dad James McDonald<br /> The last of the Mudgee Trackers<br /> 26.1.1872 - 17.4.1937<br /> Loved and remembered by daughter Valerie &amp; remaining families.<br />

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James Gillis McDONALD, JIMMY ' Tracker ' McDONALD

James Gillis McDONALD, JIMMY ' Tracker ' McDONALD

James is seated - 1st on left together with unknown Police - presumably who were Stationed at Mudgee, NSW
James Gillis McDONALD AKA  JIMMY ‘ Tracker ‘ McDONALD is seated – 1st on left together with unknown Police – presumably who were Stationed at Mudgee, NSW.

Jimmy’s leather ‘shin guards’ have been donated, by Peter McDonald, to the NSW Police Museum.  Nerida Campbell, the curator, has authenticated them and they will be on display soon ( May 2023 ).

 

 


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Mudgee Guardian and North-Western Representative (NSW : 1890 – 1954), Monday 19 April 1937, page 4

DEATH

Mr. J. G. McDonald

THE death of Mr. James Gillis McDonald (66), of Perry street. Mudgee, occurred on Friday night. The late Mr. McDonald, who had been a tracker in the police department for 40 years, passed away in his sleep. Born at Cobbora, he had lived in the Mudgee, Wollar, and Rylstone districts all his life.

In his younger days he was a noted athlete, boxer, and swimmer, and had won the famous Botany foot running handicap.

A well respected citizen, his passing will be mourned by many. A widow and eleven children survive.

The funeral was held yesterday afternoon, the interment being carried out in the Salvation Army portion of the Mudgee Cemetery by Messrs. J. C. Swords and Son.

The rites were conducted by Major Gibson.

Among those at the funeral were members of the local police force, who also acted as pall-bearers.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162251620


The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 – 1957)    Tue 8 Aug 1922   Page 1

McDONALD ( nee Cubbins )— On the 7th August, suddenly, Catherine ( Kate, relict of James Gillies McDonald, of 459 Drummond street, Carlton, ( Victoria ) beloved mother of Norman, Elsie, and Kathleen, aged 48 years.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1837914

Mudgee Guardian and North-Western Representative (NSW : 1890 – 1954), Thursday 20 October 1904, page 21

LOCAL BREVITIES.

Mr. James Gillis McDonald and Miss Harriet May Cooper were joined in wedlock’s holy bonds, the Rev. T. D. Evans officiating. Miss May Bailey was bridesmaid and Mr. Robert Bailey was groomsman.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/157628544

Mudgee Guardian and North-Western Representative (NSW : 1890 – 1954), Monday 19 January 1903, page 2

Mudgee Police Court..

Monday, 19th January.

Mudgee Police Court
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/157570465

Mudgee Guardian and North-Western Representative (NSW : 1890 – 1954), Monday 24 March 1902, page 3
A Gulgong Robbery
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/157693070

Mudgee Guardian and North-Western Representative (NSW : 1890 – 1954), Monday 26 May 1902, page 2

The Gambling Raid. –

-Sixteen Defendants Before the Court.

The Majority Discharged.

The Rest Get Stiff Sentences.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/157697199

Mudgee Guardian and North-Western Representative (NSW : 1890 – 1954), Monday 14 July 1902, page 2

An Object of Suspicion.

A Mudgee Visitor’s Experience

On Friday the Mudgee police received word that a burglary had been committed near Wellington, and a description of the bold bad men was sent here by wireless telegraphy or some other up-to-date means.

The local suppressors of crime and bad language were soon all alert, and on Friday evening Constable Tully and James Gillies McDonald, the well known tracker, had their cunning constabulary optics on a couple of strangers who had driven over from Wellington that day and were stopping at a local hotel.

The rules and regulation provide that a constable shall always act with caution, and therefore Constable Tully did not rush affairs but engaged a room at the hotel and, presumably, sat up all night with one eye on the back door and the other on the front.

The name of the unconscious object of constabulary cunning was Mr. W. V. Bradley, the representative of the Two Bays Nursery Co., Melbourne.

After consuming a very gratifying breakfast he strolled outside his hotel, and was accosted by a man who was a stranger to him, and asked him some tricky little questions as to who he was, where he came from, and where he contemplated going to. Mr. Bradley stated that he was going to the post office, and the stranger at once revealed his official identity, and intimated that the requirements of justice necessitated that the visitor should be searched, for he was suspected of being mixed up in a burglary near Wellington.

Mr. Bradley said he had not the least objection to being searched, and informed the constable that his Gladstone bag was upstairs and contained the usual assortment of clothes soiled and otherwise, and that he had £60 in notes in his pocket, and a fully loaded revolver, which he playfully introduced to the notice of the guardian of the peace.

Constable Tully carefully examined the socks, bicycling knickers, etc., and then sadly abandoned the case as far as Mr. Bradley was concerned. So far as we have heard the genuine desperado has not yet been arrested, but the police are keeping a very wide eye open.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/157695327

Jimmy McDonald

Hi, My name is Jule and I am the great granddaughter of Jimmy McDonald. He was a tracker for the police and I am trying to find information on him.

I know he married Harriot Cooper. I do remember her but I would like to know where is is buried. Thank you  I really enjoyed reading your site too.  Jules.

I also think he had a police funeral – Jule.

Yes Jule. His family have also seen a photo of him in a NSW Police publication. they are finding out more information – editor.

Mickel Cowie answers: I don’t know anything about Tracker but have noticed that his name has been mentioned in a judgement re Warrabinga-Waradjurie that is accessible via Google using that as the search . Jules could read the judgement and contact the people  who have made the claim. Mickel

 

 

Jimmy McDonald

My name is Edwin McKenzie and I am the grandson of Jimmy ” Tracker ” McDonald and Harriet Cooper.  I’m 65 now, living in Cairns and moving to Brisbane at the end of June –  I would love to find out as much as I can about my family and descendants before I die.  I would appreciate any information or leads you can give me. Edwin McKenzie

Jimmy McDonald is also my Great Grand Father, my Grandmother (His daughter) Alice Valerie Honeysett (nee McDonald).  Jimmy is buried in Mudgee Cemetery in the Salvation Army section.  There is still family in the area.  The direct Children of Jimmy & Harriet McDonald are: Jimmy, Edie, Doobie, Davey, Jeanie, Donnie, Gertie, Valerie, Dawn, Malcolm McDonald 80 still living in Toronto. I have a photo of them all together which I would be happy to share if you wish.  Who are your parents, we must be cousins? Regards, Marina Honeysett

Answering Jules re Jimmy McDonald – he is buried in the Salvation Army section of Mudgee cemetery Row B Plot 50. (unmarked still I think) He lived at 13 Perry St where the RTA now stands and was the last tracker at Wollar between about 1906 to 1919 living there in the trackers hut, then at Rylstone. his obituary.  – Anonymous

20/4/1937 (mon) Death – Mr J G McDonald – The death occurred of Mr James Gillis McDonald (66) of Perry St. Mudgee occurred on Friday night. The late Mr McDonald who had been a tracker in the police dept. for 40 years, passed away in his sleep. Born at Cobbora he had lived in the Mudgee, Wollar and Rylstone districts all his life. In his younger days he was a noted athlete, boxer, and swimmer and had won the famous Botany foot-running handicap. A well respected citizen, his passing will be mourned by many. A widow & eleven children survive. Funeral took place Salvation Army section Mudgee cem. Among those at the funeral were members of the local police force, who also acted as pall bearers.

 

Dear Diane, thanks for your email and yes I do have that information. James is buried in the Salvation Army section of the Mudgee cemetery and he has a plaque which was put there by his daughter Valerie . It is available on the Mudgee cemetery website.

 

Please pass on email address to Jule , I too am a great grand daughter of Jim McDonald. His son James Henry Crawford McDonald is my grandfather Tanya Scrivener

My name is Edwin McKenzie and I am the grandson of Jimmy “Tracker” McDonald and Harriet Cooper.  I’m 65 now, living in Cairns and moving to Brisbane at the end of June –  I would love to find out as much as I can about my family and descendants before I die.  i would appreciate any information or leads you can give me.

James McDonald

Thank you for your great site . Thanks to you I have found more relatives and some I didn’t know I had And I plan to catch up with all of them Congrats on a great site  Jule

http://www.mudgeehistory.com.au/lets_chat/lets_chat_pg3.html


 

James Gillis McDonald (abt. 1872 – 1937)

James Gillis “Jimmy” McDonald
Born about in Laheys Creek.Cobbora NSW Australiamap
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of Harriet May Cooper — married 1904 in Mudgee NSW Australiamap

Descendants descendants

Died in Mudgee NSW Australiamap
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Biography

True story of Jimmy Governor by Moore & Williams Children of James & Harriet McDonald were as follows Edith – James – Gertie – Hubert – Alice – Davi- Sylvia – Eugene and Donald (twins) – Dawn – Malcolm. Also two who may have died young.

Around the Black Stump.

James Gillis McDonald A well known bush tracker, was born at Laheys Creek on 26-1-1872.

His mother being Eliza McNabb, and his father Thomas McDonald, who was employed by James Falconer as a shepherd.

After his wife’s death Thomas McDonald went to Queensland, leaving his young son James with the Falconers. He was reared by the Falconers growing up with their children Mark & Mary.

 

The Lady Bushranger.

Page 70.

Sergeant Buckley of Rylstone, his reputation began the day he arrived, for he had brought his milking cow with him.

During the trip the cow produced twin calves, one of which he gave to his tracker Jimmy McDonald, who owned a rogue cow.

Jimmys cow was the terror of the town and was nothing short of a blooming menace, always breaking into everyone’s garden. Yet she fulfilled a much needed role by providing milk for Jimmys extensive brood.

Although Jimmy was a full blood Aborigine his wife was not, and their twelve happy children came in varied colours.  Jim could see the humour when he chuckled, with my kiddies, it’s never any use killing a fowl, it would have to be a centipede because everyone begs for a leg.

NSW Aboriginal Trackers James McDonald was the tracker at Wollarah when the Governor brother were on the run. He lived in a four room hut in the police paddock. James knew Jimmy and didn’t shoot him when he had the chance.

 

Interview with Malcolm McDonald 2012.

Jimmy once fired a warning shot at James which struck his saddle, the children later played with saddle when growing up.

 

Aboriginal Trackers 1893.

Coolah.

Aboriginal Trackers 1894 – 1901.

Mudgee Jimmy Mack and others.

Aboriginal Trackers 1898 – 1899.

Tambar Springs.

Jimmy Mack and others.

Wages for black trackers varied from four to seven pounds a month.

 

Mudgee Guardian & North Western Representative 11-11-1918

Police tracker James McDonald stationed at Wollar, who has been doing police duty at Gulgong. Whilst sweeping the yard at the police station here a few days since, picked up a nice nugget of gold , weighing ?? wts.

 

Mudgee Guardian & North Western Representative 1-7-1920.

Police tracker McDonald, for many years stationed at Wollarah, who recently retired from the service, has it will be learnt with satisfaction rejoined it. Tracker McDonald will resume duty on July 10th. He will be stationed at Rylstone, which will henceforth be the tracker station and depot for the Mudgee Police District.

 

Mudgee Guardian & North Western Representative 19-4-1937

Death of Mr J McDonald (66) of Perry Street Mudgee occurred on Friday night.

The late Mr McDonald who had been a tracker in the police Dept. for 40 years passed away in his sleep.

Born at Cobbora, he lived in the Mudgee, Wollarah & Rylstone district all his life.

In his young days he was a noted athlete, Boxer, swimmer and he won the famous Botany foot running handicap.

A well respected citizen, his passing will be mourned by many.

A widow & 11 children survive.

Funeral Salvation Army section of Mudgee cemetery. Many at the funeral were members of the local police force, who acted as pall bearers.

James parents Thomas & Eliza McNabb ?????

Sources

Notes from Mr Roy Cameron. Historian of Coolah

 

  • BDM Index

DEATH 11485/1937

Mudgee Guardian & North Western Representative 11-11-1918 Mudgee Guardian & North Western Representative 1-7-1920- Mudgee Guardian Newspaper 19-4-1937. Page 4.

The Lady Bushranger , page 70-71. by Pat Studdy-Clift.

NSW Aboriginal Trackers Pathfinders saw.org.au/… List of Black Trackers Coolah & other areas by Roy Cameron Around the Black Stump, page 330. by Roy Cameron

 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/McDonald-10243

Accessed 20/4/2020 by Cal


 

Information from Jeannette Evans, ( on 12 March 2021 ), granddaughter of Tracker McDonald, says that the family have a letter, written by Jeff Falconer, whose family raised Tracker McDonald, and the letter states that Tracker McDonald was given a lifelong job by the Governor after saving two small girls from a bolting horse.


 

 

 

 




Walter WILLIAMS

Walter WILLIAMS

Late of Casino

New South Wales Police Force

Regd. #  ????

Rank:  Tracker

Stations:  Casino

ServiceFrom  ? ? 1919  to  ? ? 1930 = 12 years Service

Awards?

Born? ? 1891 or 1892 in Bonalbo, NSW

Died on:  Sunday  2 March 1930

Age:  38

CausePneumonia & pleurisy

Event location:   ?

Event date:   ?

Funeral date:  Monday  3 March 1930

Funeral location?

Buried at:  Casino West Cemetery, West St

Old Anglican Section

 Memorial located at?

Walter WILLIAMS

 

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Walter Williams, a Bundjalung man, was born at Bonalbo in the 1890s to Lansbury Williams, a renowned stockman and tracker, and Emily Charles.  Lansbury Williams probably spoke the Gidhabal dialect of Bundjalung.  Walter was also the great-grandson of King Bobby and Queen Jinny Little who both had strong ties to Yulgilbar Station on the Clarence River.  Before taking the job as the tracker at Casino in about 1919, he worked as a bush labourer and horse breaker.  On one occasion, he drove 200 horses to Tabulam before breaking them all.  He was a master horseman.

Walter took over as the Casino tracker from his father-in-law Denny Joseph.  He continued to break horses for the police.  His other main jobs as the tracker were to look for people lost in the bush and trailing herds of lost or stolen cattle.  His tracking career was sadly cut short in 1930 when he suddenly passed away suffering from pneumonia, a condition he had first suffered from in 1919.  He was survived by his wife, Violet Joseph, and four children.[1]

 

  1.  Bundjalung News 01/11/1977; Death Certificate of Walter Williams 1930/005249; Casino and Kyogle Courier and North Coast Advertiser 26 February 1919:

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Casino and Kyogle Courier and North Coast Advertiser (NSW : 1904 – 1932), Wednesday 5 March 1930, page 2


CASINO BLACK TRACKER DIES.

The black-tracker, Walter Williams, who was attached to the Casino Police station, and who had been ill for the past few weeks, died on Sunday, after a severe bout of pneumonia and pleurisy. The deceased was 38 years of age, and besides his wife and family, leaves other relatives in the Tabulam district. . ” Walter Williams was a loyal and conscientious worker. ” said Sergeant S. L. McIntosh, when referring to Tracker Williams‘ death. ” He was with the police for 12 years, ” he added, ” and was most loyal in his work. ”

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/233787676

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Williams, Clive Andrew (1915–1980)

by Alan T. Duncan

This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 16, (MUP), 2002

Clive Andrew Williams (1915?-1980), Aboriginal leader, was born probably on 22 February 1915 at Casino, New South Wales, second of five children of Walter Williams, an Aboriginal tracker, and his wife Violet, née Joseph, from Queensland. Clive attended the public school and was one of few Aborigines accepted at Casino Intermediate High School. At the age of 15 he began work on the railways at Coonabarabran. He returned to Casino where he was employed in the butter factory. While still a young man, Williams planned to travel to Bellbrook on the Macleay River to participate in an initiation ceremony. He found, to his disappointment, that the ceremonies had recently been discontinued, as they had among his own Bundjalung people on the Richmond and Clarence rivers.

At St John’s Presbyterian Church, Coraki, on 26 April 1941 Williams married Ida Drew, who had been taken from her parents by the Aborigines Protection Board. He built a rough dwelling and continued to work in the Casino butter factory. The family then lived for a time on the Aboriginal reserve, but in 1962 moved to a cottage in the town. In the mid-1960s Williams accepted accommodation at Tranby Co-operative College for Aborigines at Glebe, Sydney, where his work with Rev. Alfred Clint and the Co-operative for Aborigines Ltd was highly regarded. He gained employment with the Department of Main Roads and brought his growing family to their new home at Rozelle.

Having joined the Aboriginal-Australian Fellowship, Williams attended the annual conferences of the Federal Council for the Advancement of Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders. Before the 1967 referendum, he helped in the successful campaign for the removal of the two offensive clauses in the Constitution relating to Aborigines. A member of the executive committee of the Aboriginal Education Council, he was involved with the early leadership training schools and other community development programmes. His wise counsel was appreciated.

In the 1960s the Commonwealth government was promoting the doctrine of ‘assimilation’, while Aboriginal organizations, especially F.C.A.A.T.S.I., wanted increased recognition of Aboriginal identity. Caught between two worlds, Williams was fiercely proud of his Aboriginal heritage but remained gentle and non-aggressive. In 1967 he took the leading role in a film, One Man’s Road, produced by the Commonwealth Film Unit for the Department of Interior; in it he and Ida told of their life and struggles. He was dismayed to discover that the Department of Territories used the film as propaganda to promote assimilation.

Williams and his family returned to the North Coast where he quickly became involved with the community. He was a leader among a group of Aboriginal elders who worked with the administrators of the Northern Rivers College of Advanced Education towards the recognition of the interests of the Bundjalung and other Aboriginal communities in the area. Suffering from hypertension, Clive Williams died of myocardial infarction on 1 December 1980 at his Lismore home and was buried in Goonellabah cemetery. His wife, and their three sons and six daughters survived him.

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/williams-clive-andrew-12030

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